Game of Thrones: Why Daenerys Was Cersei All Along - Two Sides of the Same Queen

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Go to nordvpn.com/thetake and use code thetake to get 75% off a 3-year plan. Protect yourself online today! | As it turns out, Daenerys Targaryen and Cersei Lannister are two sides of the same queen all along, even if they start out essentially as opposites. The final showdown between these two queens has always been the endgame, and their conflict reveals the true message about Game of Thrones. If you like this video, subscribe to our channel or support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/thetake
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pplr1
pplr1 6 днів тому
I have to call bs on a lot of things in this video. I watched the whole thing and it deserves a thumbs down by the end. I noted some reasons and about when they pop up in the video. The video seems to be confused by saying both do __ when “inverse” is the opposite. It starts recognizing their differences and then tries to pretend they are the same. Problem is that is not true. Daenerys freed many slaves, how many did Cersei? 4:40-recognizes Daenerys freed people while Cersei oppressed. Also recognized that Daenerys chained her dragons out of concern for others while Cersei let Joffery run rampant. 5:45 be like Daenerys try to reshape the world in a better way and “help those who have even less” 5:58 Cersei “hurts others for the hell of it” and chooses not to help others. 7:31-45 Cersei hates and fears the people 8:40 Cersei threatens to burn cities 9:35 video said “This is fire and blood music”, yet it ignores when Daenerys said the blood of her enemies “not the innocent”. 10:00 video blames Daenerys for her dead baby by being too trusting, there is a big difference between too trusting and Cersei choosing to kill her son’s wife (resulting in the son’s suicide). 10:10 video misrepresent’s Cersei’s letter upfront demand (and threatening?) and Daenerys more friendly letter-written by Tyrion (who wants help ending Cersei’s tyranny.) The video claims after the friendly letter Daenerys demands Jon bend the knee when he gets there and thus is supposedly more dishonest. Yet Daenerys-when Jon refuses to bend the knee-said he is a guest. Oh, and Tyrion-not Daenerys-wrote the letter, he tends to be nicer than Cersei. Actually they both tend to be nicer than Cersei. 10:24 video wrongly claims Cersei wants less from Jon than Daenerys by supposedly only asking for neutrality. Yet this is a blatant lie. We learn afterwards that Cersei had made a plan beforehand with Euron to have Euron pretend he was fleeing when he was really getting mercenaries for Cersei. She never planned to help and the whole eventual agreement to send Lannister forces was an act and big lie. If anything Cersei was trying to cost Daenerys a possible ally since it was unlikely Jon would ever ally with her. 10:50 the video shows Cersei saying she doesn’t care about checking her worst impulses or making the world a better place. It actually has gone back to recognizing Cersei. 10:55 claims Daenerys’s attempts at compromise don’t go well so she goes fire and blood. Very misleading because Daenerys tried compromises and used fire and blood when those compromises were betrayed. Daenerys is not responsible for when others betray or try to attack her-they are. The video tries to say she is. 11:50 self-centered world vision ignores that Daenerys built what she had but also tried to do it in a way that didn’t harm, even helped, the powerless. Remember season 4 when Daenerys had places to sleep and eat made for former slaves and planned to make them safe the minute she heard there was a problem. Very different than Cersei who would not care. 12:09 Cersei talks about caring about her family yet she tried to have Tyrion killed-he is part of her family. This video is ignoring things here. Selective editing? 12:29 The video looses its point when complaining about “medieval logic”. That is how society operated at the time. Neither Cersei nor Daenerys made that happen. And if complaining about them then complain about every member of a every noble family in the show. It is called a “social norm”. 12:51 Daenerys’s supposed complex resulted in her telling someone she cared about not to give up but to try finding a cure-and he did. Thus she told him to save his life when he had already given up. Not a bad thing. 13:01 Daenerys supposedly didn’t compromise?? She did that with Jon Snow in season 7 through most of the time he was her guest!! She did that in Meereen as well. This video is just wrong here-possibly dishonest. 13:19 “Daenerys is ruthless like Cersei”. No. She is ruthless with her enemies, but not the innocent. If Cersei had dragons she would’ve let them eat innocent people across the countryside. Daenerys did not. Big false equivalence. 13:20 She was talking to a guy, Varys, who had tried to undermine his prior leaders and thus didn’t trust him. When he told her just beforehand he would not give blind loyalty she accepted it. Requiring him to say directly if he thought she was failing the people to her face and how (shows she is willing to take criticism). This is both compromising and taking other people’s concerns into account. The opposite of what the video claimed earlier. 13:33 video said they look like each other Cersei in black (or dark cloths) and with crown, Daenerys in light tan and no crown. Someone can see the video is wrong or lying here. Oh, and it is right before Cersei killed Missandei-who never hurt or enslaved anyone. 13:36 Video said “Shared rage” when look on Daenerys’s face may be concern for Missandei. The video is wrong here. 13:50 Video claimed Daenerys didn’t choose between her “selfish ambition” and her “liberator identity”. Yet the main reason she stayed in Meereen so long (where video shows her) is to protect the people she freed rather than leave to grab her birth kingdom and let the slavers regain control. She delayed her ambitions-that is making a choice. The video is lying here and similar can be said about the white walker army which she goes to fight and puts her war for the throne on hold to do. 14:10 Cersei is shown using civilians as human shields. Daenerys didn’t ever do this. These are very different queens and the video is being deceptive. 14:31 Daenerys saying “I will not let those I have freed slide back into chains.” Anyone see Cersei saying or trying to do that? Nope. Different people. 15:44 We get the answer of D and D breaking Daenerys’s character to do a pre-selected plot point. This was not showing Daenerys but what D and D wanted her to do without providing good reasons for it. 15:50 If Daenerys chose “violence” then why not go directly to the red keep and burn Cersei like she would an enemy? D and D chose to make Daenerys let Cersei almost get away in order to attack civilians. This is out of character for Daenerys in 2 big ways-her protection of the innocent and her fire for her enemies. This goes against 2 not just 1 aspect of Daenerys’s character. 16:05 If Daenerys was punishing her enemies then why almost let Cersei get away? Cersei didn’t care about civilians so why burn them at all? 16:52 If belonging to that blood line means you flip out and kill everyone if your friends aren’t around should we expect that to happen with Jon Snow? If the answer is no then just maybe we shouldn’t accept the character breaking relating to Daenerys from D and D either. 17:02 repeating D and D’s weak excuses is not character development. Showing the death of someone she warned earlier that chose to pull a sword and threaten to kill her and her unborn child is not proving Daenerys is evil. This is a huge double standard. Just consider anyone in the whole series who would want someone that just threatened to murder them and their children dead-lets start with the Stark family. If they aren’t evil tyrants in the making than neither is Daenerys. 17:25 If Daenerys’s friends and advisors are killed or go distant that isn’t usually Daenerys’s choice. Which means she had no choice and this was supposedly inevitable. So the video isn’t being straight with viewers on if this was going to happen or not. 17:40. Video said “We always have a choice”, not if D and D choose to break characters and patterns of action to hit their preferred plot points. Lets let Daenerys character as it was during seasons 1-7 (season 8 was written to give excuses for this to happen, its been acknowledged that D and D had this event in mind and were trying to jump to it) make the decision on what happens with King’s Landing.. oh look no mass burning of civilians. 18:00 She doesn’t become the “mad queen” because of her genes. Wasn’t the video just referring to her bloodline a couple of minutes earlier?? This is speaking out of both sides of its mouth. 18:10 Correction.. She could’ve still been the ruler she wanted to be if D and D didn’t mess with her character in Season 8. Also if she decided to attack Kings Landing in season 7 then that would be choosing violence but a lot of her friends would still be alive after Cersei was dead, so the civilian population would probably be quite safe. I guess the real message is violence is only ok if your friends are around. Or maybe, just maybe, the video here is just trying to make excuses at this point.
algogy
algogy 27 днів тому
They are not the same queen. Cersei is more reasonable, she kills her opponents, for revenge, for power. Her father killed for political reasons. Ramsey kills for fun. Dany? She kills for no reason whatsoever. They made her completely insane 'because blood ya know'.
loredana godorogea
loredana godorogea 28 днів тому
I read the books and this is one things that all americans who never read russian literature will never gets(Martin Likes it). In War and Peace Lev Tolstoy make the oposite mirror personages which are put in same situation but act different. It's showed in book, when Deny gets some authority first thing she do is stop women being raped and tries to make them equal, while cercei always treat all women with disrespect . Also she always think what is best for her people, how much to stay in Vaes Toloro, where to go, she also performe all rituals when someone dies. When a handmaid please Deny, she reject it because she respect her and never use her as sex object. Cercei abduct women . When Deny becomes queen she carries for citizen, make rules, make audience, listen the needs of people, when Cercei gets power she start whoring, drinking and act like Robert. When Sickness death and War come to Mereen, Dany delivers food, wash the sick people, wash the bodies, make their funerar with a help of o few unsulied. What Cercei did when war, death, food crisis come to king's landing? Their are shape like opposite of each other not same personne.
Wolfgang Von Zubaz
Wolfgang Von Zubaz 29 днів тому
Good analysis ... Dany dresses up her ambitions like a modern politician uses "humanitarian intervention" to rationalize destruction and "other" objectives ... Libya and Syria are good examples
Polo Ralph
Polo Ralph 29 днів тому
Incredible video and incredible content yet again. Keep up the good work
Tsar Alester
Tsar Alester 9 годин тому
You see? Danaerys did deserve to die
Fuzzy Dunlop
Fuzzy Dunlop 10 годин тому
Fuck, I wish Viserys had lived. At least he was FUN.
Mur'La Aurelius
Mur'La Aurelius День тому
Absolutely impossible simply because unlike Cersei, Dany actually had a few brain cells working together. Cersei clearly had a functional IQ of like, two.
anonymous nation
anonymous nation 2 дні тому
Daenerys is no longer an attraction to me after seeing these parallels and all other stuff in season 8.... how is it possible for a leader to lose her claims this quickly....she had other choices.....
Corinna Leppin
Corinna Leppin 2 дні тому
Cousin marriage is not incest.
carole mcphee
carole mcphee 4 дні тому
i think you are wrong about the deaths of their children, cersei directly/indirectly was the cause of death for all three of her kids. joffrie died because she raised a tyrant brat who delighted in the pain of others. myrcella died because of her vendetta against tyrion who was not responsible for the death of their mother, and tommen killed himself after seeing his wife murdered by cersei. she is essentially her own worst enemy. while daenerys wasn't responsible for the death of her dragons, they all died as a consequence of her enemies. that ending scene with cersei doesnt show her vulnerability, but shows her selfishness, she doesnt care for her people, she purposely puts them in harms way, but faced with her own death she appeals to jaimes love for her and their child, but in reality she only cares for herself, which is shown in the fact that she is only too happy to pawn off another one of jaime's children as another mans. saying all this, i think you are right about everything else lol.
David
David 4 дні тому
Great analysis! I think you could make a similair video about Jon and Jaime. They're opposites, but also have a lot in common: 1. They both served in a brotherhood in which the members are sworn for life and are forbidden from owning land, taking wives, or fathering children: Jaime served the Kingsguard and Jon the Night's watch; 2. When they got the chance they both refused a lord/kingship; 3. Both had a incesteous relationship; 4. Jaime is a Kingslayer for killing his king Aerys II and Jon is a Queenslayer for killing his queen and lover Daenerys
Michael Woodard
Michael Woodard 6 днів тому
This is excellent reading of the story but one issue being the series omitted the character Young Griff who is like to be Dany’s foil in Kings Landing in the books end game.
pplr1
pplr1 6 днів тому
I have to call bs on a lot of things in this video. I watched the whole thing and it deserves a thumbs down by the end. I noted some reasons and about when they pop up in the video. The video seems to be confused by saying both do __ when “inverse” is the opposite. It starts recognizing their differences and then tries to pretend they are the same. Problem is that is not true. Daenerys freed many slaves, how many did Cersei? 4:40-recognizes Daenerys freed people while Cersei oppressed. Also recognized that Daenerys chained her dragons out of concern for others while Cersei let Joffery run rampant. 5:45 be like Daenerys try to reshape the world in a better way and “help those who have even less” 5:58 Cersei “hurts others for the hell of it” and chooses not to help others. 7:31-45 Cersei hates and fears the people 8:40 Cersei threatens to burn cities 9:35 video said “This is fire and blood music”, yet it ignores when Daenerys said the blood of her enemies “not the innocent”. 10:00 video blames Daenerys for her dead baby by being too trusting, there is a big difference between too trusting and Cersei choosing to kill her son’s wife (resulting in the son’s suicide). 10:10 video misrepresent’s Cersei’s letter upfront demand (and threatening?) and Daenerys more friendly letter-written by Tyrion (who wants help ending Cersei’s tyranny.) The video claims after the friendly letter Daenerys demands Jon bend the knee when he gets there and thus is supposedly more dishonest. Yet Daenerys-when Jon refuses to bend the knee-said he is a guest. Oh, and Tyrion-not Daenerys-wrote the letter, he tends to be nicer than Cersei. Actually they both tend to be nicer than Cersei. 10:24 video wrongly claims Cersei wants less from Jon than Daenerys by supposedly only asking for neutrality. Yet this is a blatant lie. We learn afterwards that Cersei had made a plan beforehand with Euron to have Euron pretend he was fleeing when he was really getting mercenaries for Cersei. She never planned to help and the whole eventual agreement to send Lannister forces was an act and big lie. If anything Cersei was trying to cost Daenerys a possible ally since it was unlikely Jon would ever ally with her. 10:50 the video shows Cersei saying she doesn’t care about checking her worst impulses or making the world a better place. It actually has gone back to recognizing Cersei. 10:55 claims Daenerys’s attempts at compromise don’t go well so she goes fire and blood. Very misleading because Daenerys tried compromises and used fire and blood when those compromises were betrayed. Daenerys is not responsible for when others betray or try to attack her-they are. The video tries to say she is. 11:50 self-centered world vision ignores that Daenerys built what she had but also tried to do it in a way that didn’t harm, even helped, the powerless. Remember season 4 when Daenerys had places to sleep and eat made for former slaves and planned to make them safe the minute she heard there was a problem. Very different than Cersei who would not care. 12:09 Cersei talks about caring about her family yet she tried to have Tyrion killed-he is part of her family. This video is ignoring things here. Selective editing? 12:29 The video looses its point when complaining about “medieval logic”. That is how society operated at the time. Neither Cersei nor Daenerys made that happen. And if complaining about them then complain about every member of a every noble family in the show. It is called a “social norm”. 12:51 Daenerys’s supposed complex resulted in her telling someone she cared about not to give up but to try finding a cure-and he did. Thus she told him to save his life when he had already given up. Not a bad thing. 13:01 Daenerys supposedly didn’t compromise?? She did that with Jon Snow in season 7 through most of the time he was her guest!! She did that in Meereen as well. This video is just wrong here-possibly dishonest. 13:19 “Daenerys is ruthless like Cersei”. No. She is ruthless with her enemies, but not the innocent. If Cersei had dragons she would’ve let them eat innocent people across the countryside. Daenerys did not. Big false equivalence. 13:20 She was talking to a guy, Varys, who had tried to undermine his prior leaders and thus didn’t trust him. When he told her just beforehand he would not give blind loyalty she accepted it. Requiring him to say directly if he thought she was failing the people to her face and how (shows she is willing to take criticism). This is both compromising and taking other people’s concerns into account. The opposite of what the video claimed earlier. 13:33 video said they look like each other Cersei in black (or dark cloths) and with crown, Daenerys in light tan and no crown. Someone can see the video is wrong or lying here. Oh, and it is right before Cersei killed Missandei-who never hurt or enslaved anyone. 13:36 Video said “Shared rage” when look on Daenerys’s face may be concern for Missandei. The video is wrong here. 13:50 Video claimed Daenerys didn’t choose between her “selfish ambition” and her “liberator identity”. Yet the main reason she stayed in Meereen so long (where video shows her) is to protect the people she freed rather than leave to grab her birth kingdom and let the slavers regain control. She delayed her ambitions-that is making a choice. The video is lying here and similar can be said about the white walker army which she goes to fight and puts her war for the throne on hold to do. 14:10 Cersei is shown using civilians as human shields. Daenerys didn’t ever do this. These are very different queens and the video is being deceptive. 14:31 Daenerys saying “I will not let those I have freed slide back into chains.” Anyone see Cersei saying or trying to do that? Nope. Different people. 15:44 We get the answer of D and D breaking Daenerys’s character to do a pre-selected plot point. This was not showing Daenerys but what D and D wanted her to do without providing good reasons for it. 15:50 If Daenerys chose “violence” then why not go directly to the red keep and burn Cersei like she would an enemy? D and D chose to make Daenerys let Cersei almost get away in order to attack civilians. This is out of character for Daenerys in 2 big ways-her protection of the innocent and her fire for her enemies. This goes against 2 not just 1 aspect of Daenerys’s character. 16:05 If Daenerys was punishing her enemies then why almost let Cersei get away? Cersei didn’t care about civilians so why burn them at all? 16:52 If belonging to that blood line means you flip out and kill everyone if your friends aren’t around should we expect that to happen with Jon Snow? If the answer is no then just maybe we shouldn’t accept the character breaking relating to Daenerys from D and D either. 17:02 repeating D and D’s weak excuses is not character development. Showing the death of someone she warned earlier that chose to pull a sword and threaten to kill her and her unborn child is not proving Daenerys is evil. This is a huge double standard. Just consider anyone in the whole series who would want someone that just threatened to murder them and their children dead-lets start with the Stark family. If they aren’t evil tyrants in the making than neither is Daenerys. 17:25 If Daenerys’s friends and advisors are killed or go distant that isn’t usually Daenerys’s choice. Which means she had no choice and this was supposedly inevitable. So the video isn’t being straight with viewers on if this was going to happen or not. 17:40. Video said “We always have a choice”, not if D and D choose to break characters and patterns of action to hit their preferred plot points. Lets let Daenerys character as it was during seasons 1-7 (season 8 was written to give excuses for this to happen, its been acknowledged that D and D had this event in mind and were trying to jump to it) make the decision on what happens with King’s Landing.. oh look no mass burning of civilians. 18:00 She doesn’t become the “mad queen” because of her genes. Wasn’t the video just referring to her bloodline a couple of minutes earlier?? This is speaking out of both sides of its mouth. 18:10 Correction.. She could’ve still been the ruler she wanted to be if D and D didn’t mess with her character in Season 8. Also if she decided to attack Kings Landing in season 7 then that would be choosing violence but a lot of her friends would still be alive after Cersei was dead, so the civilian population would probably be quite safe. I guess the real message is violence is only ok if your friends are around. Or maybe, just maybe, the video here is just trying to make excuses at this point.
Gab MSouza
Gab MSouza 6 днів тому
Finally someone who can see things clearly!
sabo tajé
sabo tajé 6 днів тому
Cersei's two children were killed, as well as children of Dayeneris. And they both had their last alive child flying away, both of them "flew" from window I never thought about it...
bc bc
bc bc 7 днів тому
I’d like to say I’ve been making this argument for a long time!
Miranda Summerset
Miranda Summerset 7 днів тому
She was freeing slaves, creating armies, chosen by the people That's not cersei.....
Tanty Magdalena
Tanty Magdalena 6 днів тому
Yes... Totally different. More respect for Mother of Dragons
Salvatore Escoti
Salvatore Escoti 7 днів тому
Brother and Sister is much more incest than Cousins!
RiRi HateBunny87
RiRi HateBunny87 7 днів тому
At 14:47 , who the F*ck is that? An Arya Stark body double? Sure as hell doesn’t look like Maisie Williams 😕
s
s 8 днів тому
The fact that they had less than 5 minutes of dialogue together for the entirety of the show is appalling
Navin Israni
Navin Israni 8 днів тому
Such a beautifully written video!
Juliabel GA Peach
Juliabel GA Peach 8 днів тому
I've always seen Dany as an anti-hero. On one hand she had noble and compassionate intentions. On the other hand she dealt a cruel hand to her enemies. I thought her relationship with Jon Snow was very self serving, and manipulative.
star gazer
star gazer 9 днів тому
They're not both blond Daenerys hair is white
Sharon Riddick Groppi
Sharon Riddick Groppi 9 днів тому
I know pretty well, by now, that I have always been in the minority, but I have never liked Daenerys and I have always known that not only she’s not that different from Cersei...she fully always had the potential to become way worse then her, in the end. I have never quite understood all the blind admiration for her, since I could always sense something way dirtier and darker, beneath the exterior. It was just a mask. The finale made total sense to me (though I had to wait for her demise for 8 seasons, but it was worth the wait). In a way, I have always preferred Cersei between the two, because at least, with Cersei, you knew exactly what you were getting, while Daenerys was more of an unclear question mark - until she took the mask off. And no, I’m not a Daenerys hater...I just always had a clear feeling she would end being the ultimate villain. It was there all along, since season 1. Great build up of a character, by the way...and brilliant video ☺️
Misha Misha
Misha Misha 9 днів тому
both hairstyles 😂😂😂
Dhyan Jay
Dhyan Jay 10 днів тому
I m suppressing my impulse to like this video because of this Nerd vpn shit
Jennifer Brewer
Jennifer Brewer 10 днів тому
I would've liked to see a Kill Bill Vol. 1-style sword duel to the death between Cersei and Daenerys.
Mahrukh Waqar
Mahrukh Waqar 10 днів тому
Brilliant
V Deo
V Deo 10 днів тому
This reminds me of my mom and grandmother
josski32
josski32 10 днів тому
its interesting to me that Dany ended up inflicting so much more suffering on people than cersei ever did. I feel like in some way because she believed in her greatness and goodness it enabled her to do something like that. and somehow I hate her more for it. even though cersei was an absolute witch the whole 8 seasons, she had the redeeming quality of being honest and knowing what was important to her. she kind of had a "this is what Im like and I don't care what anyone thinks" kind of attitude. whereas daenerys had lofty ideals but was not grounded and was able to trick everyone, even herself, into thinking she had the people's best interests at heart.
Michael Rauch
Michael Rauch 10 днів тому
I like the facts a Danny was never really a good person. as you watch this show people were so obsessed with a do the Denny had to be the hero they never realize that she was actually kind of a villain. Or at least not a hero she was definitely like seriously. This man a really good point on that and that's why I really hurt people's feelings so much last season the other faults aside. People could not help but see her the hero when she really was no different than cersei.
Michael Rauch
Michael Rauch 10 днів тому
Cersei isn't bright.... Otherwise truth.
Kolin Martz
Kolin Martz 10 днів тому
Oh no. Are we actually doing this? What’s scarier than a Targaryen choosing violence? Everyone justifying bad writing.
Kolin Martz
Kolin Martz 10 днів тому
Danny is just “one bad day” away I tot urning into Cersei.
Kolin Martz
Kolin Martz 10 днів тому
I think the word you’re looking for is a foil
Helena Bhattarai
Helena Bhattarai 10 днів тому
I think the person who made it got nothing better to do ....
Rick The Explorer™
Rick The Explorer™ 10 днів тому
Dany said Jon was too little for her. That means she is genocidal, Eugenic. If a woman like that takes power, people die. It's only irony that Dany got killed by the man who was too short for her. I want to put a dagger in every woman who thinks like that. When a Eugenic Female gets power - people will die. Remember that. And take away from my comment what you will.
Laura Zaetz
Laura Zaetz 10 днів тому
The line between role model and entitled diva is a fine line. It's the reason Cardi B has fans.
Griffly Art
Griffly Art 10 днів тому
This makes me feel better about the last season feeling rushed. However they did make it seem like she just suddenly snapped and “went mad”, not that it was a decision. But seeing this has helped me. Thank you
Alexander Schmall
Alexander Schmall День тому
Last season was rushed but the evidence was there all along. When she saved the lamb girls from being raped, she tells Mormont "I do not have a gentle heart"
ckaz007
ckaz007 10 днів тому
So in other words, women are too emotionally unstable to be effective rulers. Duly noted, signed the Men of the World.
vin 950
vin 950 10 днів тому
no way, Cersei wasn't as evil. She didn't murder an entire city and burn children alive.
Hitsugix
Hitsugix 9 днів тому
Well, I'm pretty sure when she blew up the Sept of Baelor there were many innocent people including children in the buildings surrounding it who died and burned alive and she didn't give a damn about it.
Jhasen
Jhasen 10 днів тому
Basically people are hypocrits and Dany is an asshole
Ikea Lamp
Ikea Lamp 10 днів тому
Another similarity.... they both were advised by tyrion
vidaldiddy
vidaldiddy 10 днів тому
This is amazing I never thought about it like that man I am woke now. But season 8 was still rushed you guys took your time to explain showing scenes and comparing the two.
Panagiotis Papatheodorou
Panagiotis Papatheodorou 10 днів тому
The issue isn’t the plot points. The issue is the execution. Imagine if the Red Wedding happened and we had no build up.
Alexander Schmall
Alexander Schmall День тому
@Joe Tyrant remember how turned on she got when Drogo was talking all that shit?
Joe Tyrant
Joe Tyrant 6 днів тому
There was buildup though. Since the first season. Her main ambitions have always been to kill the men in iron suits and their stone houses. To lay waste to her enemies who have wronged her. (Westerosi people, especially houses Lannister,Stark,Baratheon). To take what is hers (iron throne) through fire and blood. The rest is all political moves to gain the power to ultimately attain her main ambitions.
Amadeus
Amadeus 11 днів тому
Until Daenarys burnt King's Landing she was making the world a better place and is just as responsible for saving the world as Bran, Jon, Arya, their armies and the Knights of the Vale. Cersei was just trouble the entire time.
Evil Queen
Evil Queen 11 днів тому
Idiotic
Ally Jay
Ally Jay 11 днів тому
I never realized the inverse similarities between them but I knew from the beginning Dany would turn out to be a monster bc she so deeply believed it was her Divine right to rule.
hawksasuke97
hawksasuke97 11 днів тому
Yeah no, being power hungry and being insane are two completely different things. Dany was *never* the kind of person to go around burning kids alive before this crap and there was no justification for turning her into someone who does in a matter of 6 episodes. What culminated in the burning of King’s Landing’s was not Dany’s approach to taking the throne, but her listening to the ideals of naively pacifistic idiots who kept trying to shove their Mary Sue crap down her throat and screwed her over at every turn. Had she just trusted her own instincts and attacked King’s Landing when she wanted to after the Tyrells fell, she would have had no reason to snap after the bells rung because practically all the people she lost would still be alive right now. *Loss* is what causes her to deteriorate and anybody paying attention to her mental and physical transformation upon each loved one’s death could put that together. A tyrant does not lock her dragons away when they kill children. A tyrant does not free slaves. Even when Jorah explicitly told her that going out of her way to free the slaves would not get her any closer to the throne, she still did it. A tyrant does not wait on over 200 supplicants a day to resolve their problems with solutions other than murder or oppression. A tyrant does not take advise from advisors. Hell, ironically, her not being a tyrant and listening to Mary Sues is what ultimately screwed her over in the end. Listening to the idiots living in La La Land who refused to see the world for what it is and people for what they are and that kept trying to impose their naively pacifistic ideals down her were the root of her problems. She should have just trusted her own instincts. If she was as power hungry as people so desperately try to paint her, she would have let Jon die after finding out he had the stronger claim to the throne. She would not have stayed in Slaver’s Bay knowing full-well it would not get her any closer to what she ultimately wanted. She would not have sacrificed the power her dragons gave her because she knew that power was not worth the lives of children being endangered by them. And any fool who confuses brutality with insanity are the ones that haven’t been paying attention. Might as well run around calling Tywin Lannister the Mad Hand of the King by that dumb logic.
M Sammy
M Sammy 11 днів тому
Great analysis!
Loomie 12
Loomie 12 11 днів тому
Please make one about sansa stark
TLoula MacCrue
TLoula MacCrue 11 днів тому
The sad thing is that D&D should have explained it through their writing. Not explaing it off camera . Explaining off camera is such a cop out . Then why even have a script if everything is just going to be explained "off camera" . We wanted to see it unfold through the actors telling the story. That's how it's usually done. That's with difference between being an ok writer who will eventually not be hired becauze of lack of talent or laziness. Or a great writer who takes pride in their work to the very end
S. Eric Ruth
S. Eric Ruth 11 днів тому
Wow! I never really noticed these uncanny similarities...
Not it dude
Not it dude 11 днів тому
RIP Daenerys
MrZylia
MrZylia 11 днів тому
Witch to Cersei: You will be replaced by a younger and more beautiful queen. Cersei to all Women she encounters: I'll kill you. Witch's face when Brom becomes King: (͡ ͡° ͜ つ ͡͡°)
Isabel Knight-Inman
Isabel Knight-Inman 11 днів тому
So basically Drogon's going to kill himself like Thommen :(
Brianna Weeks
Brianna Weeks 11 днів тому
I thought a lot of this but didn’t catch the mirror metaphor with Cersei. So good and great analysis!
glizta42
glizta42 11 днів тому
Great video! I always felt Dany was trouble and unhinged. Tyrion was right when he said he was a fool to believe he could manage her.
glizta42
glizta42 11 днів тому
Now compare them to Sansa who has been brutally treated and says “I may be slow but I learn”
Michael Carnevale
Michael Carnevale 11 днів тому
great analysis but season 8 failed to make this comparison interesting unfortunately
Şukufe Kıllıbacak
Şukufe Kıllıbacak 11 днів тому
what is GoT's message?What has changed at the end?Bran is King sansa is queen in the north if good leaders could stop this blodshed Ned Stark or Rob Stark would win. It is not about one person it is about political system.With this feudal landlords and absolute monarchy game of thrones wont end.Cersei goes Danny comes Dany goes Bran comes it wont change.There should be only one message in this show's ending:If u are demigod if u are 3 eyed raven u can do whatever u can.Great message i cant believe i watched this shit show from the very beginning SHAME!And i wont buy grrm's new books without learning the end.I dont give a flying fuck about Dany or Cersei or Ned or anyone else
marcie Ryan
marcie Ryan 11 днів тому
Interesting... now I need to watch from season 1 again.
Lorraine Roberts
Lorraine Roberts 11 днів тому
The talk it's so plain an obvious that your team Cersei and you don't like Daenerys Targaryen crap video But you fail to make one certain point in your argument John has more reason to side with Daenerys then with Cersei Lannister are you forgetting through the whole entire series the Cersei and Tywin Lannister is responsible for the Starks death and losing wintefull there home or did you forget about that factor in your anti Daenerys video You never really payed close attention to the hole the TV series if you open your eyes and watch very, episode closely you would know for a fact Cersei Lannister has always been pure evil and Daenerys Targaryen has not been evil Daenerys Targaryen freed slaves from slaver's Bay she helped the poor Cersei Lannister on the other hand killed Robert Baratheon raised her evil son to murder Ned stark she has always has been evil and cruel and hateful and Daenerys Targaryen became the mad queen in the last episode Benioff and Wiess the dumber and dumber writers of Game of Thrones only turned her evil in the second last episode because they needed to turn her be the mad Queen evil in order for John to killer her to take the throne for Brian and the broken to become King are you not listening to how everyone's complaining how the last season ended one of the main complaints is Daenerys Targaryen been turn evil her character turn evil just to fulfill the end
#DRW
#DRW 12 днів тому
That's why You really had a NIGHT KING who represents Death is all of us He should have completed the Conquer and vanish into the nature after Humans all gone (Unfortunately stupidity of WB,TIme Warner,HBO CEOs lead to that same Queen dead and also the NIGHT KING)
MuscleTrucker
MuscleTrucker 12 днів тому
Not really.
Harlow Rodriguez
Harlow Rodriguez 12 днів тому
Dany became the queen she said she would never become.
ramathorn1982
ramathorn1982 12 днів тому
Honestly never made the connection...
Trin Murray
Trin Murray 12 днів тому
At 9:00 it kinda seems like Emilia forgot her line there....
Ó Slattarra
Ó Slattarra 12 днів тому
"Anyone who is not us is the enemy." Every co-dependent narcissistic mother that ever lived.
hawksasuke97
hawksasuke97 11 днів тому
More like every mother who was told a prophecy of doom that practically stated the universe was out to get her and her children on top of being raised by a father who taught her to trust, and I quote, “[themselves] alone”
Chelsie Chambers
Chelsie Chambers 12 днів тому
This was FASCINATING!!
Griever
Griever 12 днів тому
God no. Get ouf of the dumbster searching for last scrabs of hope at the bottom. Have some selfrespect, boi. It's over. And it was a character massacre caused by a rushed season and lazy writting.
Zara Orte
Zara Orte 11 днів тому
Not s 1 2 3 4 5 and 6 and the vid is mostly about martin's writing....
alfina sw
alfina sw 12 днів тому
Poor my dany
antonio bentivoglio
antonio bentivoglio 12 днів тому
I don't agree at all! There's a huge difference between Cersei and Daenerys. (especially before season 8). Cersei doesn't give a shit about everyone despite her children, she hates folks, she's totally selfish and she wants power for power. Daenerys (before S8 shit) is ruthless and fierce but only against her enemies. Even when she crucifies the masters or burn people, she does so according to her sense of justice, not because she takes pleasure from it. But on the other hand she's always shown great empathy, mercy, affection towards underdogs and common people. She doesn't want power for power, she wants power to make the world a better place.
SkreltNL
SkreltNL 12 днів тому
Could you stop inventing shit where there is non? If you want this stuff to happen write your own book. It is, and will never be, part of the show. D&D ruined it. This theory might be true in the books but it needs more story telling. What was seen in the show was bad and way to short timewise.
Iulia Țvigun
Iulia Țvigun 12 днів тому
Where I have I been? Why I haven't noticed all of this?
Drogon Dracarys
Drogon Dracarys 12 днів тому
its like comparing devil to angel
Drogon Dracarys
Drogon Dracarys 12 днів тому
so stupid and not true ...
Epi Stemix
Epi Stemix 12 днів тому
Funny how Daenerys ended portrayed mad when she had so much trust and love shown to her a few episodes earlier of the finale, while Cersei is clearly the opposite : Portrayed as a humanized desperate pregnant woman loosing her composure in the arms of her brother trying to protect her from total despair after she showed so much ruthlessness, paranoia and madness during the past seasons until episode 5 Love that part even if 4,5,6 were poorly written and rushed so much 😔
Victoria A Cruz
Victoria A Cruz 13 днів тому
I see this but 8th season was flat... also Danny and John story mirror each other
Gdalf Gaming
Gdalf Gaming 13 днів тому
Intriguing concept. Well made video. But no... How dare you compare our one true queen Daenarys to...... that.
chanel henderson
chanel henderson 13 днів тому
Totally awesome video
Danite Ghost
Danite Ghost 13 днів тому
I think the main problem was that Dany should have seen her actions as necessary but heartbreaking. She should have been in a state of absolute sorrow, similar to God Emprah from 40k. This is the feeling I got from her when Vicerys died. Instead she acted like she had suddenly become her father.
Sandor Enckell
Sandor Enckell 13 днів тому
I have to say this was an amazing analysis. I had noticed some similarities, but those I had made the connections with house Lannister and house Targaryen instead of Cersei and Dany.
evileyez504
evileyez504 13 днів тому
Daenerys also parallels Jon in the story, both of them do the same versions of the same thing until Season 8
Jasmine B
Jasmine B 14 днів тому
I saw this from the very damn beginning. When I told the squad they said I was mad! I feel vindicated.
Sharon Riddick Groppi
Sharon Riddick Groppi 9 днів тому
Yep, me too. I have been saying that since season 1 and yet no one would get it (or should I say “would WANT to get it). You are not alone 😉
Evan Cope
Evan Cope 14 днів тому
This episode didn’t age well after the bells
Derva Kommt von hinten
Derva Kommt von hinten 14 днів тому
danny was always annoying, and in the end unrealistic
Zachary Hawley
Zachary Hawley 15 днів тому
They also died in the arms of the one they loved. Mad Queen to Mad Queen.
Bre ME
Bre ME 15 днів тому
Because of bad writing
harley quinn
harley quinn 15 днів тому
well said. i had been thinking from the very first season that dany was going to turn into the "mad queen." there were many little hints and circumstances that made me think things were not going to go well once she reached westeros.
shaider1982
shaider1982 15 днів тому
Well, the actresses both played Sarah Connor at one time.✌😁
Ross Carlin
Ross Carlin 15 днів тому
Cersei isn't particularly bright in the books; she is a much more relatable and intelligent person in the show. Not an easy feat given the fact that the majority of her story line plays out from her point of view in the text. I think the show-runners wanted you to draw that comparison more clearly than Martin, though it is still there in the novels.
Jesus Calvillo
Jesus Calvillo 16 днів тому
Just like Hitler and Stalin they were both murderers, ruthless, and agressive dictators that only cared about themselves and power.
Jesus Calvillo
Jesus Calvillo 16 днів тому
We saw the hypocrisy of Dany.
Jesus Calvillo
Jesus Calvillo 16 днів тому
Game of thrones is related to reality we seen it in history and even today that at times most people only cared about themselves and power.
Matt Johnson
Matt Johnson 16 днів тому
I blame Jon Snow! So the video is a good contrast between the two major female characters, and I think it was well done. I do think a lot of people have valid (per their perception of the material - the show itself) reasons for accepting that Daenerys went "mad queen" and the foreshadowing was sufficient. People will perceive things differently, and we in this day and age are very very prone to ascribe motivations to actions when people do things we don't like. A lot of us don't think the given foreshadowing was sufficient, there was no real evidence that Dany was capable of doing things she so actively spoke about NOT doing. She had done brutal things, but had justification, and I think most of the time, most of us accepted it. Watching back through Season 7, Dany was a lot more 'soft'. She was encouraged by Yara Greyjoy, Ellaria Sand and Olenna Tyrell to sack King's Landing, but she flat told them she wasn't there to be the queen of ashes. We see ONE outburst from Dany, when she learns that Ellaria and Yara were captured, and that the Lannisters defeated the Tyrells. She has an impulsive moment (which she is prone to, she's impulsive and quick to anger, which makes her HUMAN, not evil or insane) where she basically says "screw this, I'll take my dragons to the Red Keep". She didn't threaten the city, only to go at the keep, because her enemies were in the keep. Jon Snow ends up talking her down. The rest of S7, she's pretty level headed and tempered. She falls in love with Jon because of all of his admirable qualities. She wouldn't do that if she didn't greatly value those qualities and have desire to emulate them. In S8, she does get a cold welcome in the North. Sansa doesn't really give her a fair shake, Jon didn't do much to butter up the Northmen to accept her. What S8 did well, IMHO, was show this 'outsider' treatment and Dany's feeling of isolation. Jon distances himself because of his identity, which really affects her because she loves him so much, then she loses Jorah, Rhaegal and Missandei, which sparks her anger. I can absolutely see and understand her feeling isolated and angry, and giving into anger. This isn't "insanity" though. It would have been believable that she directly attacked the Red Keep, not the city itself. Being angry and vengeful is usually very targeted, and going after the source of her losses, Cersei, would have made a lot of sense. She didn't attack in a targeted way, so she went to a place that wasn't quite logical given how her state of mind was presented. Also note in a clip this video used, Dany also says "all my life, I have known one goal. The Iron Throne" ... then she basically declares she wants to conquer the world? Inconsistency. So it's believable to me that her isolation and anger would drive her to brutal and destructive action... but not against innocent people. It's a bit too much of a leap for me.
Tom Ravenswood
Tom Ravenswood 16 днів тому
I've always said that ! Cersei and Daenerys were so similar. But people used to laugh at me when I said that, now they know the end of the story, they admit I was right all along...
Jimmy
Jimmy 17 днів тому
Melisandre shits on both of them. The Night is Dark and Full of Terrors!
Drew Kosonen
Drew Kosonen 17 днів тому
I think where D&D really fucked up was not letting Dany know her fate until the S8 table read. Maybe if Emilia knew the ending sooner, she could have done more with her acting to demonstrate the shift. Instead, she became convinced (like a lot of other people) that her character was flawless and destined to win. Looking at everything she has said and done over the series "on paper", EVERYBODY should have seen this coming. She's been a megalomaniac the whole time, but Emilia thought she was just some R rated disney princess, so that's how she portrayed her.
loredana godorogea
loredana godorogea 17 днів тому
I read the books and this is one things that all americans who never read russian literature will never gets(Martin Likes it). In War and Peace Lev Tolstoy make the oposite mirror personages which are put in same situation but act different. It's showed in book, when Deny gets some authority first thing she do is stop women being raped and tries to make them equal, while cercei always treat all women with disrespect . Also she always think what is best for her people, how much to stay in Vaes Toloro, where to go, she also performe all rituals when someone dies. When a handmaid please Deny, she reject it because she respect her and never use her as sex object. Cercei abduct women . When Deny becomes queen she carries for citizen, make rules, make audience, listen the needs of people, when Cercei gets power she start whoring, drinking and act like Robert. When Sickness death and War come to Mereen, Dany delivers food, wash the sick people, wash the bodies, make their funerar with a help of o few unsulied. What Cercei did when war, death, food crisis come to king's landing? Their are shape like opposite of each other not same personne.
RAUH Welt
RAUH Welt 17 днів тому
Dany was NOT mad. She could not control her emotions.
SchulzEricT
SchulzEricT 18 днів тому
D&D say that, if things hadn't happened that way, then maybe we wouldn't have seen that side of Dany. Well, cool. Maybe that's why it's so important that you not have Tyrion make bad decisions simply because; maybe that's why it's so important that Sansa and Arya not trust Dany simply because. Maybe that's why her going mad feels so empty: because it wasn't earned. Because the writing didn't justify Tyrion becoming an idiot suddenly, because the writing didn't show us why Sansa and/or Arya wouldn't trust Dany or Jon. Why her Dragons would be the only dragons in the history of Westeros to have dragonscales that are purely for decoration. How nobody could remember the Iron Fleet. How convenient it was that somehow Missandei was captured with nobody noticing or being able to help her.
Bork PomPom
Bork PomPom 18 днів тому
While Cersei did terrible things to people the audience likes, she’s a very interesting character. You don’t have to be a good person to be a good character. There’s the openly self centered bad person and the self righteous person who brands herself as a fair ruler because she wants the throne. I completely agree that her campaign to free people was at least partly to rally support as she had nothing else to offer. This was a really interesting analysis.
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